I finished watching all the interviews from Monday 6/28/2009 at the Broncos website with Kyle Orton, Brandon Marshall and Josh McDaniels.
Kyle Orton
It's hard not to like Kyle Orton. He's doing the best he can with the situation that he's been dealt. In his interview with the Denver media, he's a straight shooter. He didn't avoid any questions but rather answered them methodically and professionally. It's a great way to establish a solid stable foundation within the organization. The Broncos need all the solid players they can get.
Looking back, it's kind of funny how we as fan's didn't ask for the Spring fiasco, and probably neither did Kyle. After all, he finally established himself in Chicago as being the 'Starting QB.' After being upended and shipped to Denver as fast as you can order a Chicago Dog, it must have been the last whirl wind he expected from the windy city.
Personally I think that Kyle is a guy who just wants to call a franchise home; hoping our Denver Broncos football family will like him enough to grow on him and want him to stay. I like what I saw in the interview. I fear though that this is his one chance to run the table this season and I hope he does well. I'm a smuck when it comes to underdogs... I always like to root for them. Especially when it's a make or break situation. It's those types of stories that make sports history great. I really want Kyle Orton to be one of those stories.
Brandon Marshall
Brandon's body language and his answers to media questions pretty much tell the story. Brandon really doesn't want to play for the Broncos WITHOUT being PAID the BIG LONG TERM CONTRACT he is looking for. His only reason for showing up was to continue to get paid and also not to get fined. Right now it seems like he's just going through the motions (like a lot of unhappy employees) to earn a pay check. Sometimes work isn't as glamorous as we'd like it to be. But we all have to make a living, right? I'm wondering how the story pans out through training camp... for good or for worse?
Josh McDaniels
The interview with Josh McDaniels was straight forward, but was not very assuring about the Brandon Marshall situation. It seems like McDaniels answered all the questions regarding Marshall with intentional ignorance. I find this interesting because his focus in rebuilding has been all about character players. Right now whether McDaniels likes it or not, Marshall's character is in question. I really don't think that ignoring it is going to make it go away, and for now that's what it seems like he's doing.
What You See Is What You Get
There is a clear compare/contrast between Marshall and Orton. Both in comparison are in peculiar situations and both are in situations they didn't ask for. In constrast however, Marshall ended up in his situation for his off field antics. Orton ended up in his situation for other people and the Broncos organization off field antics. The other contrast is that Marshall is a very talented receiver, Orton is an average QB at best compared in respect to their peers. Kyle is doing everything he can to stay with the Broncos, Brandon is doing just enough to not get fined.
Kyle Orton is going to give it his all when he goes out on the field. There is no doubt about it. He seems solid and in the right state of mind to enter camp. I believe Rod Smith mentioned on the NFL Network a month ago that you have to enter camp that way. Orton definitely put in the necessary work during the off-season. I hope it pays off during camp.
I don't know if Marshall will be traded since his trade value isn't as much as it should be, but I don't know if he'll play hard either. I think that if they wanted to get rid of him, then the Broncos would have done it by now. Either that or they learned from dealing with a previous player that rushing the process through isn't the best way to handle the situation. Chances are he's going through the motions while his mind is elsewhere wishing for that contract that he wants. In my opinion, if you pay Brandon Marshall, this fiasco all goes away PLUS, you'll have a happy Pro-Bowl wide receiver, and a happier starting quarterback. Not only that but the whole offense should be on the same page and ready to roll come the regular season.
As for Josh McDaniels, he seems to be answering the questions about Marshall the same way he answered questions in April - lots of smiles, lots of lies, lots of singing and dancing, and for this fan a whole lot of lack for trust. I think he is intelligent and probably has to answer the question like he did, it's only day 1. However I hope he doesn't ignore the Marshall situation too long. Convincing Pat Bowlen to make Marshall happy would definitely make up for past mistakes.
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Mecklenburg Blog
I just finished reading the Karl Mecklenburg blog at the Denver Broncos website at:
http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/young-leaders-promising-change/
All in all another feel good post. Most (all) of my comments on the Broncos website go to 'moderation' before being posted or tossed in the trash, so I really don't make much of an attempt to opinionate myself there anymore.
However the Blogs of the Cheerleader pics for the upcoming calendar are damn right smokin hot!!! RED HOT!!! Steamboat was definitely boiling the local blood during those photo shoots! Wow, nice job ladies.
Okay back to Mecklenburg.
I loved to watch Mecklenburg play Line Backer back in the 80's along with Rulon Jones at Defensive end. I never thought Meck was the greatest linebacker to don the orange and blue, but he was definitely one of the hardest workers. He seemed to have a knack to end up where the ball carrier was and definitely a team player. He would fit on McHoodies team like a round peg. I get what he was saying about 'change.' Whether we like it or not, it's going to happen so deal with it and support the Broncos. I agree with him whole heartedly about supporting the Broncos franchise.
Regardless of the 3 SB losses with Dan Reeve's, I liked his coaching style. When he left, most people, and especially Bronco fans of today forget that Wade Phillips coached for a couple of season. We didn't just go from Dan to Mike. Trust me, I remember when Wade coached, and I couldn't wait for him to be relieved. Anyone else in the league would have been an upgrade!
So the transition to Mike Shanahan was a great feeling and he kept the franchise together. That change to me was a lot more hopeful than the current change. I understand that Mike got stale the past 6 years or so, and his pride got the best of him. I remember yelling at the TV, don't kick to Dante Hall... Devin Hester... Darren Sproles... but the damn fool did it anyway! And it cost the team many of those games! So he was getting very predictable, and the old school bugger couldn't even send emails... he had to have his daughters do it for him. Mike definitely lost touch with the modern times and it began to show with the relationship with the players. I was glad to see Mike be put to pasture, but I'm kind of guessing that we haven't seen the last of Shanny (I'm predicting history will repeat itself and Dallas will be calling you to replace Wade once again!)
McHoodie has shaken things up, and that change can be considered a bit too dramatic. In my opinion, it is. Can McHoodie make a playoff run this year? Everyone points to the Dolphins and Ravens as the example of bringing in a new head coach/QB and having a successful season. However the Dolphins were 1-15 and the Ravens were 5-11. Both teams needed to be shaken up in order to be successful for the next season. We're an 8-8 injury prone team that had a high octane Offense/no Defense that missed the playoffs by one game. We had a proven pro-bowl worth QB who shouldered the team in Elwayesque fashion (similarly ala 80's without a decent running game) to try and salvage a playoff berth. We are definitely not like the 2007 Dolphins and Ravens.
However, this is a copy cat league so it shouldn't surprise me that when the west coast offense was what dominated the league in successful teams, Pat Bowlen went out and got Mike who was offensive coordinator of the San Fransisco 49ers dynasty.
Now that the Holy Grail of the New England (just drink the friggin kool-aid) Patsies has become the dominant force, Pat once again goes and gets McHood-rat, Offensive Coordinator of the Patriots. It worked once before, I guess it's possible to work again.
I'm giving Pat the benefit of the doubt in seeing a young (maybe even arrogant) Mike Shanahan inside that hoodie, but I really doubt he expected to lose a franchise QB with the hiring. For those that have short term memory loss, Pat declared at a press conference that "Jay is the Man in Denver." I'm speculating that Pat saw a lot of Elway in Cutler to make such a comment, I know I did. So the question I still wonder about is: if Pat could see 6 months into the future before hiring McHoodie, would he have still hired him? Hmmm...
Either way, change will happen and we as fans of the Broncos will have to deal with it. I think McHoodster has to make the playoffs this season, and if not he definitely will have to make them next season. It's that or he can be the next Wade Phillips of the Broncos. Funny thing is that Wade never chased off the face of the franchise... so I doubt McHoodster (if he's gone in a couple years) will have that anonymity that Wade enjoys of his lack luster performance in Denver.
PS.
From the last post, I got a comment that San Diego Defensive Coordinator Ron Rivera was the former Defensive Coordinator of the Chicago Bears during the year of their Super Bowl appearance against the Indianapolis Colts. Apparently he got to sharpen up his defensive chops against the second team offense who was quarterbacked by our own starting quarterback Kyle Orton! Ron has the skinny on what Orton can do... doesn't bode well for us when we face the Chargers... seriously! Thanks for the post Anonymous dude!
http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/young-leaders-promising-change/
All in all another feel good post. Most (all) of my comments on the Broncos website go to 'moderation' before being posted or tossed in the trash, so I really don't make much of an attempt to opinionate myself there anymore.
However the Blogs of the Cheerleader pics for the upcoming calendar are damn right smokin hot!!! RED HOT!!! Steamboat was definitely boiling the local blood during those photo shoots! Wow, nice job ladies.
Okay back to Mecklenburg.
I loved to watch Mecklenburg play Line Backer back in the 80's along with Rulon Jones at Defensive end. I never thought Meck was the greatest linebacker to don the orange and blue, but he was definitely one of the hardest workers. He seemed to have a knack to end up where the ball carrier was and definitely a team player. He would fit on McHoodies team like a round peg. I get what he was saying about 'change.' Whether we like it or not, it's going to happen so deal with it and support the Broncos. I agree with him whole heartedly about supporting the Broncos franchise.
Regardless of the 3 SB losses with Dan Reeve's, I liked his coaching style. When he left, most people, and especially Bronco fans of today forget that Wade Phillips coached for a couple of season. We didn't just go from Dan to Mike. Trust me, I remember when Wade coached, and I couldn't wait for him to be relieved. Anyone else in the league would have been an upgrade!
So the transition to Mike Shanahan was a great feeling and he kept the franchise together. That change to me was a lot more hopeful than the current change. I understand that Mike got stale the past 6 years or so, and his pride got the best of him. I remember yelling at the TV, don't kick to Dante Hall... Devin Hester... Darren Sproles... but the damn fool did it anyway! And it cost the team many of those games! So he was getting very predictable, and the old school bugger couldn't even send emails... he had to have his daughters do it for him. Mike definitely lost touch with the modern times and it began to show with the relationship with the players. I was glad to see Mike be put to pasture, but I'm kind of guessing that we haven't seen the last of Shanny (I'm predicting history will repeat itself and Dallas will be calling you to replace Wade once again!)
McHoodie has shaken things up, and that change can be considered a bit too dramatic. In my opinion, it is. Can McHoodie make a playoff run this year? Everyone points to the Dolphins and Ravens as the example of bringing in a new head coach/QB and having a successful season. However the Dolphins were 1-15 and the Ravens were 5-11. Both teams needed to be shaken up in order to be successful for the next season. We're an 8-8 injury prone team that had a high octane Offense/no Defense that missed the playoffs by one game. We had a proven pro-bowl worth QB who shouldered the team in Elwayesque fashion (similarly ala 80's without a decent running game) to try and salvage a playoff berth. We are definitely not like the 2007 Dolphins and Ravens.
However, this is a copy cat league so it shouldn't surprise me that when the west coast offense was what dominated the league in successful teams, Pat Bowlen went out and got Mike who was offensive coordinator of the San Fransisco 49ers dynasty.
Now that the Holy Grail of the New England (just drink the friggin kool-aid) Patsies has become the dominant force, Pat once again goes and gets McHood-rat, Offensive Coordinator of the Patriots. It worked once before, I guess it's possible to work again.
I'm giving Pat the benefit of the doubt in seeing a young (maybe even arrogant) Mike Shanahan inside that hoodie, but I really doubt he expected to lose a franchise QB with the hiring. For those that have short term memory loss, Pat declared at a press conference that "Jay is the Man in Denver." I'm speculating that Pat saw a lot of Elway in Cutler to make such a comment, I know I did. So the question I still wonder about is: if Pat could see 6 months into the future before hiring McHoodie, would he have still hired him? Hmmm...
Either way, change will happen and we as fans of the Broncos will have to deal with it. I think McHoodster has to make the playoffs this season, and if not he definitely will have to make them next season. It's that or he can be the next Wade Phillips of the Broncos. Funny thing is that Wade never chased off the face of the franchise... so I doubt McHoodster (if he's gone in a couple years) will have that anonymity that Wade enjoys of his lack luster performance in Denver.
PS.
From the last post, I got a comment that San Diego Defensive Coordinator Ron Rivera was the former Defensive Coordinator of the Chicago Bears during the year of their Super Bowl appearance against the Indianapolis Colts. Apparently he got to sharpen up his defensive chops against the second team offense who was quarterbacked by our own starting quarterback Kyle Orton! Ron has the skinny on what Orton can do... doesn't bode well for us when we face the Chargers... seriously! Thanks for the post Anonymous dude!
Thursday, June 25, 2009
Denver Fans Still Split!!!
Well it's pretty clear that fans of the Denver Broncos are split down the middle of what's been going on all summer. I've been reading the blogs at the Bronco web page and it's still roughly all about the changes that have happened this off season.
Changes over new coach Josh McDaniels, the Cutler Trade, and now how the Brandon Marshall situation is being handled.
I don't know if mud slinging was common last year, but right now the fans are slinging it all over the Bronco blog, and I'm quite sure it's not the only place. Even the analyst from Yahoo, MSN, Fox, ESPN, and the NFL network can't make heads or tails of all the changes that have happened. Many project the Broncos at best another 8-8 season (due to the weak AFC West Division,) while some say as low as 5-11 with the scheduled team they have to face.
I've even checked out the Bears ESPN radio show where Defensive Coach Ron Rivera of San Diego Chargers was on. Rivera being a former Bears player commented on Chicago signing Culter and how relieved he was that he didn't have to create defensive schemes to stop Cutler two times a year.
The biggest fans of what's happening should be are our rivals. You know KC and Oakland are not as afraid of Kyle Orton as they were of Cutler. KC thinks they found their franchise QB in Matt Cassle, and they are probably tickled to death that he's already contributed to the demise of Denver by being the 'apple of McHoodies eye!' And San Diego, being in the twilight of their aging team is probably ecstatic that they face the less mobile Orton. Their defense could get to Cutler, but he could escape time and again. With Merriman back, getting to Orton shouldn't be a problem.
Our only hope in my opinion is to have a stellar running game. With Peyton Hillis running the ball that should be no problem. This would give us a threat we were lacking with all the injuries that happened to all the RB's. Also it would surely help Orton by limiting his throws and making the defense back off and focus on the run.
Regardless, the season has yet to start, and all of us fans will have to wait to see how things will shape up. I'm am going to sorely miss the Cutler/Rivers rivalry! That could've been one for the ages.
Changes over new coach Josh McDaniels, the Cutler Trade, and now how the Brandon Marshall situation is being handled.
I don't know if mud slinging was common last year, but right now the fans are slinging it all over the Bronco blog, and I'm quite sure it's not the only place. Even the analyst from Yahoo, MSN, Fox, ESPN, and the NFL network can't make heads or tails of all the changes that have happened. Many project the Broncos at best another 8-8 season (due to the weak AFC West Division,) while some say as low as 5-11 with the scheduled team they have to face.
I've even checked out the Bears ESPN radio show where Defensive Coach Ron Rivera of San Diego Chargers was on. Rivera being a former Bears player commented on Chicago signing Culter and how relieved he was that he didn't have to create defensive schemes to stop Cutler two times a year.
The biggest fans of what's happening should be are our rivals. You know KC and Oakland are not as afraid of Kyle Orton as they were of Cutler. KC thinks they found their franchise QB in Matt Cassle, and they are probably tickled to death that he's already contributed to the demise of Denver by being the 'apple of McHoodies eye!' And San Diego, being in the twilight of their aging team is probably ecstatic that they face the less mobile Orton. Their defense could get to Cutler, but he could escape time and again. With Merriman back, getting to Orton shouldn't be a problem.
Our only hope in my opinion is to have a stellar running game. With Peyton Hillis running the ball that should be no problem. This would give us a threat we were lacking with all the injuries that happened to all the RB's. Also it would surely help Orton by limiting his throws and making the defense back off and focus on the run.
Regardless, the season has yet to start, and all of us fans will have to wait to see how things will shape up. I'm am going to sorely miss the Cutler/Rivers rivalry! That could've been one for the ages.
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
My Thoughts Of A Franchise QB
Earlier this year the Broncos organization and franchise quarterback Jay Cutler parted ways. The Chicago Bears paid quite a bit for a proven Pro-Bowler with a rocket arm , who in their opinion is what they are lacking. Along with the deal their starting quarterback was sent to Denver as a bonus in the block buster deal.
What I saw in Cutler was everything I would want in a quarterback. He took command of the offense when he was out there. He was big and strong and when he got in trouble he could scramble and extend broken plays. He could make something out of nothing and do it all seamlessly. He could break tackles and seemed to have no fear of being hit. He could throw a bullet into a tight space. He carried himself with confidence and a 'never say die' attitude. And this attitude flowed through the rest of the offense. You could see the joy of that young offense exuberant every time they scored. It was like the 4th of July in Autumn if you were a Broncos fan since they could light up a score board. It was an exciting offense to watch. An offense that did not get a chance to survive a coaching change and new dictatorial regime.
I'm a believer that on the offensive side the foundation is built with having the right quarterback that can lead a team. A quarterback that can recognize before the snap that potentially the current play is in trouble and that he has to check out of it to a play designed to counter attack. A quarterback that can make accurate throws and bait defenses with his eyes and deceive line men during screens.
What makes me a believer in what I just wrote is the fact that a majority of Super Bowls have been won with quarterbacks that have these characteristics. And many of them are multiple winners of the Super Bowl. It seems like from the very beginning this standard was set in professional football. Let's take a look at these multiple Super Bowl Championship quarterbacks.
Multiple Superbowl Appearances with Perfect Records:
Bart Star - Green Bay - 2
Terry Bradshaw - Pittsburgh - 4
Jim Plunkett - Oakland - 2
Joe Montana - San Francisco - 4
Troy Aikman - Dallas - 3
Ben Rothleisberger - Pittsburgh - 2
Multiple Superbowl Appearances with both W & L Records
Len Dawson - Chiefs - Won 1, Lost 1
Earl Morrall - Baltimore Colts - Won 1, Lost 1
Roger Staubach - Dallas - Won 2, Lost 2
Bob Griese - Miami - Won 2, Lost 1
Joe Theisman - Washington - Won 1, Lost 1
Bret Favre - Green Bay - Won 1, Lost 1
John Elway - Denver - Won 2, Lost 3
Tom Brady - New England - Won 3, Lost 1
Kurt Warner - Won 1, Lost 2
1 Time Superbowl Appearance Winners
Joe Namath - New York Jets
Ken Stabler - Oakland Raiders
Jim McMahon - Chicago
Phil Simms - New York Giants
Doug Williams - Washington
Jeff Hostetler - New York Giants
Mark Rypien - Washington
Steve Young - San Francisco
Trent Dilfer - Baltimore Ravens
Brad Johnson - Tampa Bay
Peyton Manning - Indianapolis Colts
Eli Manning - New York Giants
Multiple Superbowl Appearances with No Wins
Craig Morton - Dallas & Denver - 2 Losses
Fran Tarkenton - Minnesota - 3 Losses
Jim Kelly - Buffalo - 4 Losses
1 Time Superbowl Appearance Losers
Daryle Lamonica - Oakland
Joe Kapp - Minnesota
Billy Kilmer - Washington
Vince Ferragamo - Los Angeles Rams
Ron Jaworski - Philadelphia
Ken Anderson - Cincinnati
David Woodley - Miami
Dan Marino - Miami
Steve Grogan - New England
Boomer Esiason - Cincinnati
Stan Humphries - San Diego
Neil O'Donnell - Pittsburgh
Drew Bledsoe - New England
Chris Chandler - Atlanta
Steve McNair - Tennessee Titans
Kerry Collins - New York Giants
Rich Gannon - Oakland Raiders
Jake Delhomme - Carolina
Donovan McNabb - Philadelphia
Matt Hasselback - Seattle
Rex Grossman - Chicago
There are 43 Superbowl winning quarterbacks.
The top 6 on the list with Perfect Multiple Superbowl wins were/are hands down franchise quarterbacks.
The 9 with Multiple Appearances with wins and losses in the Superbowl were franchise quarterbacks even though they lost. They got back to the big game and won it. Or in Staubach, Theisman and Favre's case, went back the year after and lost defending the crown.
These 15 Franchise quarterbacks total 44 appearances out of a possible 86. That is a staggering 51%! And they are accountable for 29 World Championships, or 63%. Out of those 15, 3 of them are still playing - Kurt Warner, Tom Brady and Ben Rothleisberger have 9 appearances in the last 8 Superbowls with 6 World Championships between them.
Taking a look at the 1 Time Superbowl Apperance Winners there are 12 total. Out of the 12, only 2 quarterbacks were not franchise quarterbacks. Jeff Hostetler was a backup to franchise QB Phil Simms. After winning the Superbowl he was traded to the Los Angeles Raiders where he BECAME a franchise quarterback. The other is Trent Dilfer who was with the Baltimore Ravens when they won the Superbowl. He was released after being the Superbowl winning quarterback and ended up at Tampa Bay as a back up for Brad Johnson. The rest are notable franchise quarterbacks. 2 are still fresh in the middle of their NFL careers - Peyton & Eli Manning are more than talented enough to lead their teams back to the big game.
As far as QB's with Goose egg's in the win column, the most notable franchise quarterbacks are Fran Tarkenton, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Donovan McNabb.
Out of the Goose Egg's, 5 of them are still playing and 4 of them are quite secure in their jobs as leading their teams this year: Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, and Matt Hasselback. Rex Grossman is now a back up with the Houston Texans.
Now given our current situation, Josh McDaniels is still having the two quarterbacks compete. Even though he has declared that Kyle Orton is the starting quarterback, the competition is still open! If you look at these franchise quarterbacks mentioned above, there was really no one snipping at their heels. A majority of them clearly separated themselves from their competition, because they were that good! They were given a generous amount of talent that allowed themselves to be #1, and the confidence to know the job was theirs if they just showed up.
Where one organization does not recognize such philosophies, other organizations do recognize. The Bears welcomed Cutler with opens arms saying "You're the MAN!"
So, the question is: Is Kyle Orton our franchise quarterback?
What I saw in Cutler was everything I would want in a quarterback. He took command of the offense when he was out there. He was big and strong and when he got in trouble he could scramble and extend broken plays. He could make something out of nothing and do it all seamlessly. He could break tackles and seemed to have no fear of being hit. He could throw a bullet into a tight space. He carried himself with confidence and a 'never say die' attitude. And this attitude flowed through the rest of the offense. You could see the joy of that young offense exuberant every time they scored. It was like the 4th of July in Autumn if you were a Broncos fan since they could light up a score board. It was an exciting offense to watch. An offense that did not get a chance to survive a coaching change and new dictatorial regime.
I'm a believer that on the offensive side the foundation is built with having the right quarterback that can lead a team. A quarterback that can recognize before the snap that potentially the current play is in trouble and that he has to check out of it to a play designed to counter attack. A quarterback that can make accurate throws and bait defenses with his eyes and deceive line men during screens.
What makes me a believer in what I just wrote is the fact that a majority of Super Bowls have been won with quarterbacks that have these characteristics. And many of them are multiple winners of the Super Bowl. It seems like from the very beginning this standard was set in professional football. Let's take a look at these multiple Super Bowl Championship quarterbacks.
Multiple Superbowl Appearances with Perfect Records:
Bart Star - Green Bay - 2
Terry Bradshaw - Pittsburgh - 4
Jim Plunkett - Oakland - 2
Joe Montana - San Francisco - 4
Troy Aikman - Dallas - 3
Ben Rothleisberger - Pittsburgh - 2
Multiple Superbowl Appearances with both W & L Records
Len Dawson - Chiefs - Won 1, Lost 1
Earl Morrall - Baltimore Colts - Won 1, Lost 1
Roger Staubach - Dallas - Won 2, Lost 2
Bob Griese - Miami - Won 2, Lost 1
Joe Theisman - Washington - Won 1, Lost 1
Bret Favre - Green Bay - Won 1, Lost 1
John Elway - Denver - Won 2, Lost 3
Tom Brady - New England - Won 3, Lost 1
Kurt Warner - Won 1, Lost 2
1 Time Superbowl Appearance Winners
Joe Namath - New York Jets
Ken Stabler - Oakland Raiders
Jim McMahon - Chicago
Phil Simms - New York Giants
Doug Williams - Washington
Jeff Hostetler - New York Giants
Mark Rypien - Washington
Steve Young - San Francisco
Trent Dilfer - Baltimore Ravens
Brad Johnson - Tampa Bay
Peyton Manning - Indianapolis Colts
Eli Manning - New York Giants
Multiple Superbowl Appearances with No Wins
Craig Morton - Dallas & Denver - 2 Losses
Fran Tarkenton - Minnesota - 3 Losses
Jim Kelly - Buffalo - 4 Losses
1 Time Superbowl Appearance Losers
Daryle Lamonica - Oakland
Joe Kapp - Minnesota
Billy Kilmer - Washington
Vince Ferragamo - Los Angeles Rams
Ron Jaworski - Philadelphia
Ken Anderson - Cincinnati
David Woodley - Miami
Dan Marino - Miami
Steve Grogan - New England
Boomer Esiason - Cincinnati
Stan Humphries - San Diego
Neil O'Donnell - Pittsburgh
Drew Bledsoe - New England
Chris Chandler - Atlanta
Steve McNair - Tennessee Titans
Kerry Collins - New York Giants
Rich Gannon - Oakland Raiders
Jake Delhomme - Carolina
Donovan McNabb - Philadelphia
Matt Hasselback - Seattle
Rex Grossman - Chicago
There are 43 Superbowl winning quarterbacks.
The top 6 on the list with Perfect Multiple Superbowl wins were/are hands down franchise quarterbacks.
The 9 with Multiple Appearances with wins and losses in the Superbowl were franchise quarterbacks even though they lost. They got back to the big game and won it. Or in Staubach, Theisman and Favre's case, went back the year after and lost defending the crown.
These 15 Franchise quarterbacks total 44 appearances out of a possible 86. That is a staggering 51%! And they are accountable for 29 World Championships, or 63%. Out of those 15, 3 of them are still playing - Kurt Warner, Tom Brady and Ben Rothleisberger have 9 appearances in the last 8 Superbowls with 6 World Championships between them.
Taking a look at the 1 Time Superbowl Apperance Winners there are 12 total. Out of the 12, only 2 quarterbacks were not franchise quarterbacks. Jeff Hostetler was a backup to franchise QB Phil Simms. After winning the Superbowl he was traded to the Los Angeles Raiders where he BECAME a franchise quarterback. The other is Trent Dilfer who was with the Baltimore Ravens when they won the Superbowl. He was released after being the Superbowl winning quarterback and ended up at Tampa Bay as a back up for Brad Johnson. The rest are notable franchise quarterbacks. 2 are still fresh in the middle of their NFL careers - Peyton & Eli Manning are more than talented enough to lead their teams back to the big game.
As far as QB's with Goose egg's in the win column, the most notable franchise quarterbacks are Fran Tarkenton, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Donovan McNabb.
Out of the Goose Egg's, 5 of them are still playing and 4 of them are quite secure in their jobs as leading their teams this year: Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, and Matt Hasselback. Rex Grossman is now a back up with the Houston Texans.
Now given our current situation, Josh McDaniels is still having the two quarterbacks compete. Even though he has declared that Kyle Orton is the starting quarterback, the competition is still open! If you look at these franchise quarterbacks mentioned above, there was really no one snipping at their heels. A majority of them clearly separated themselves from their competition, because they were that good! They were given a generous amount of talent that allowed themselves to be #1, and the confidence to know the job was theirs if they just showed up.
Where one organization does not recognize such philosophies, other organizations do recognize. The Bears welcomed Cutler with opens arms saying "You're the MAN!"
So, the question is: Is Kyle Orton our franchise quarterback?
Unofficial Good Bye from Brandon Marshall
When I woke up this morning, I was hoping that Brandon would stay in Denver. But apparently that is not going to happen. It really is a shame because he is our biggest, most physical, and one of the most talented receiver in the NFL.
Good luck Mr. Marshall, I sure hope you get what you want out of your career else where. And thanks for all the great catches that you made over the past 3 years. The Cutler to Marshall connection will sorely be missed by me, personally. I wish it all did not end the way it did, but the business sometimes does not allow for happy ending.
Monday, June 15, 2009
McHoodie Vs. BMarsh
Well well well, here we go again! First of all I'd like to say that my opinions and what I am about to write is all speculation!
It appears that Brandon Marshall is not happy in Denver! Let's make a calculated guess as to why?
1. New Coach
2. New Offensive System To Learn
3. Favorite QB (Jay Cutler) was run out of town
4. Making less money than T.O., Ocho, and other top receivers.
5. Maybe has a grudge since favorite QB is gone
6. Was Exclusive on ESPN as a woman beater.
7. Is involved with another battered situation with a different woman.
8. Has to go to court over the first woman.
9. Has had a hip surgery and is rehabbing.
Wow, that's a lot of things to deal with. Lets target these things individually.
1. New Coach Josh McDaniels (aka McHoodie) replaced a stale and out dated Mike Shanahan (aka I got fired because I wouldn't fire my BFF Bob Slowik.) Personally I felt this was a great move since he took a high school starting QB in Matt Cassel and turned him into Tom Brady. It didn't happen over night since Cassel was part of the Patriots system for a few years, so he did understand how things worked - it was Cassel's job to know as back up QB. However, talented players that think the team revolves around them get ousted by McHoodie as we found out with McJay Gate. I think BMarsh thinks the air game revolves around him. Hmmmm, perhaps another casualty waiting to happen?
2. The New Offensive Scheme McHoodie brings has been proven in New England. Tom Brady broke the TD record set by Peyton Manning (who broke the previous one set by Dan Marino.) Also Randy Moss has the most TD's by a wide out. Upon McHoodie's arrival, visions of Culter to Marshall circulated in every Bronco Fans head. Well that isn't going to happen!!!
3. Now I'm sure a lot of fans are thinking I'm beating a dead horse (or dead bronco) but I'm sure it has to come into play some where. BMarsh was close to Cutler, they had chemistry and belief that they would be together for years, and BMarsh was JC's favorite target. McHoodie took all of that away and replaced JC with Kyle Orton. I guess I'd be a bit depressed too!
4. Every year we hear the same cliche' from players all over the league. "The NFL is a business and I need to get what I feel is mine!" Okay, not all players say this, but the business part they all agree with. BMarsh had a pretty spectacular year. Good enough to be called one of the best receivers in the NFL. Although he did drop quite a few passes, in hind sight, dropped passes never stopped T.O. from getting paid! He's suppose to make around $2.2 million this year. Looking at receivers like T.O., Randy Moss, Lee Evans, & Larry Fitzgerald raking in double digit million dollar salaries it's no wonder BMarsh has a chip on his shoulder. $10M a year at the very least makes $2.2M look like chump change!
5. Another theory could be that BMarsh is holding out because maybe he'll be fortunate enough to get traded to a team that will pay him the money he wants. Now that Cutler is gone, does Orton have the arm strength to get him the ball down field? Maybe BMarsh doesn't think so. Let's see, a new offense does well after a few years and usually not immediately. BMarsh is probably holding out because after 3 years under Shanahan's system his performance level has increased yearly. Now he has to start all over and learn a new system. Chances are his performance is going to drop off. So to all the people that are saying "Shut up and play BMarsh! Have a great season and then let them pay you!" You got to understand the business. And business says that if performance does drop off, the Broncos Management don't have to pay you what you want due to your performance decline. So I bet they are hoping for him to "be a team player" and curtail this years performance so they can use it as an excuse to NOT pay him what he wants.
6. Being a negative exclusive on ESPN was probably not a lot of fun. However, his actions did make him an easy target. And when it comes to media bullies, they have no qualms about picking on an easy target. The media is in charge of what gets broadcast. And they allowed BMarsh to have a rebuttal interview. Of course the guy in charge was only going to get what he wanted out of BMarsh and cut him off whenever BMarsh was trying to make a point. All I can say is BMarsh should have known better and just laid low and hopefully things would've blown over. This alone would cost him a few million later on down the road. Time to hold out seeing that he's going to need the money later.
7. Okay, so you get arrested for fighting in public back home in Atlanta with your new girl friend and soon to be wife? Idiot! When are you going to learn that women who want to fight with you also want your money! Regardless, it looks like somethings never change. And also, this could get expensive. Better go after that coin my friend!
8. There is no doubt that your first troubles with your high school sweet heart are expensive. Lawyers that love rich hoodlums like you who love to get in trouble, are more than eager to take away your money! You're a lawyers dream come true. Ask your agent, he'll tell ya that he's your best friend too!
9. Now I don't know about this, but hip surgery and rehabilitation sound awfully expensive, but I'm sure the Broncos organization covered that medical bill. Still, being gimpy isn't the best time to ask for more money. Not showing up for mandatory work outs is also throwing money away. But coming from the hood probably means that you're making too much money (or at least you thought you were) that you didn't know what to do with it! So let's just throw it all away. I guess you've thrown away enough to see the bottom of the barrel. Wow, now you need more, much much more.
Ya know, the average American can retire rather comfortably on $2.2 million. So why is it so difficult for a kid who had nothing, earned his way into college through hard work and physical gifts, and made it as a professional football player to be able to manage his finances and do the same thing?
I guess if I were 20something, a very talented wide receiver, had everything to look forward to, and was making that kind of salary; I'd probably piss away a few million dollars too!
In the end I don't believe that BMarsh will have another season like he did last year. He wants to get traded, but I don't know if he will get traded. Funny thing is, I hope he stays in Denver. But with the changing of the guard, it seems less likely than it did 6 months ago!
It appears that Brandon Marshall is not happy in Denver! Let's make a calculated guess as to why?
1. New Coach
2. New Offensive System To Learn
3. Favorite QB (Jay Cutler) was run out of town
4. Making less money than T.O., Ocho, and other top receivers.
5. Maybe has a grudge since favorite QB is gone
6. Was Exclusive on ESPN as a woman beater.
7. Is involved with another battered situation with a different woman.
8. Has to go to court over the first woman.
9. Has had a hip surgery and is rehabbing.
Wow, that's a lot of things to deal with. Lets target these things individually.
1. New Coach Josh McDaniels (aka McHoodie) replaced a stale and out dated Mike Shanahan (aka I got fired because I wouldn't fire my BFF Bob Slowik.) Personally I felt this was a great move since he took a high school starting QB in Matt Cassel and turned him into Tom Brady. It didn't happen over night since Cassel was part of the Patriots system for a few years, so he did understand how things worked - it was Cassel's job to know as back up QB. However, talented players that think the team revolves around them get ousted by McHoodie as we found out with McJay Gate. I think BMarsh thinks the air game revolves around him. Hmmmm, perhaps another casualty waiting to happen?
2. The New Offensive Scheme McHoodie brings has been proven in New England. Tom Brady broke the TD record set by Peyton Manning (who broke the previous one set by Dan Marino.) Also Randy Moss has the most TD's by a wide out. Upon McHoodie's arrival, visions of Culter to Marshall circulated in every Bronco Fans head. Well that isn't going to happen!!!
3. Now I'm sure a lot of fans are thinking I'm beating a dead horse (or dead bronco) but I'm sure it has to come into play some where. BMarsh was close to Cutler, they had chemistry and belief that they would be together for years, and BMarsh was JC's favorite target. McHoodie took all of that away and replaced JC with Kyle Orton. I guess I'd be a bit depressed too!
4. Every year we hear the same cliche' from players all over the league. "The NFL is a business and I need to get what I feel is mine!" Okay, not all players say this, but the business part they all agree with. BMarsh had a pretty spectacular year. Good enough to be called one of the best receivers in the NFL. Although he did drop quite a few passes, in hind sight, dropped passes never stopped T.O. from getting paid! He's suppose to make around $2.2 million this year. Looking at receivers like T.O., Randy Moss, Lee Evans, & Larry Fitzgerald raking in double digit million dollar salaries it's no wonder BMarsh has a chip on his shoulder. $10M a year at the very least makes $2.2M look like chump change!
5. Another theory could be that BMarsh is holding out because maybe he'll be fortunate enough to get traded to a team that will pay him the money he wants. Now that Cutler is gone, does Orton have the arm strength to get him the ball down field? Maybe BMarsh doesn't think so. Let's see, a new offense does well after a few years and usually not immediately. BMarsh is probably holding out because after 3 years under Shanahan's system his performance level has increased yearly. Now he has to start all over and learn a new system. Chances are his performance is going to drop off. So to all the people that are saying "Shut up and play BMarsh! Have a great season and then let them pay you!" You got to understand the business. And business says that if performance does drop off, the Broncos Management don't have to pay you what you want due to your performance decline. So I bet they are hoping for him to "be a team player" and curtail this years performance so they can use it as an excuse to NOT pay him what he wants.
6. Being a negative exclusive on ESPN was probably not a lot of fun. However, his actions did make him an easy target. And when it comes to media bullies, they have no qualms about picking on an easy target. The media is in charge of what gets broadcast. And they allowed BMarsh to have a rebuttal interview. Of course the guy in charge was only going to get what he wanted out of BMarsh and cut him off whenever BMarsh was trying to make a point. All I can say is BMarsh should have known better and just laid low and hopefully things would've blown over. This alone would cost him a few million later on down the road. Time to hold out seeing that he's going to need the money later.
7. Okay, so you get arrested for fighting in public back home in Atlanta with your new girl friend and soon to be wife? Idiot! When are you going to learn that women who want to fight with you also want your money! Regardless, it looks like somethings never change. And also, this could get expensive. Better go after that coin my friend!
8. There is no doubt that your first troubles with your high school sweet heart are expensive. Lawyers that love rich hoodlums like you who love to get in trouble, are more than eager to take away your money! You're a lawyers dream come true. Ask your agent, he'll tell ya that he's your best friend too!
9. Now I don't know about this, but hip surgery and rehabilitation sound awfully expensive, but I'm sure the Broncos organization covered that medical bill. Still, being gimpy isn't the best time to ask for more money. Not showing up for mandatory work outs is also throwing money away. But coming from the hood probably means that you're making too much money (or at least you thought you were) that you didn't know what to do with it! So let's just throw it all away. I guess you've thrown away enough to see the bottom of the barrel. Wow, now you need more, much much more.
Ya know, the average American can retire rather comfortably on $2.2 million. So why is it so difficult for a kid who had nothing, earned his way into college through hard work and physical gifts, and made it as a professional football player to be able to manage his finances and do the same thing?
I guess if I were 20something, a very talented wide receiver, had everything to look forward to, and was making that kind of salary; I'd probably piss away a few million dollars too!
In the end I don't believe that BMarsh will have another season like he did last year. He wants to get traded, but I don't know if he will get traded. Funny thing is, I hope he stays in Denver. But with the changing of the guard, it seems less likely than it did 6 months ago!
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
RB's and more RB's!
So it seems that we don't have enough running backs on our team. Let's see... we signed Correll Buckhalter, LaMont Jordan, J.J. Arrington, and Darius Walker as free agents. We drafted in the first round (12th overall) Knowshon Moreno and Kestahn Moore (rookie free agent,) and we kept Ryan Torain. Also it was reported that McHoodie was very interested in Derrick Ward,
Plus we still have Full Backs Peyton Hillis and Spencer Larsen.
I think strongly that Peyton Hillis should be Denvers full time RB instead of a FB. He has everything it takes to run the ball and has the work ethic to be a 1000 rusher easily.
However, since Cutler's gone it appears that McHoodie is taking that Bear's philosphy of run the ball more than pass since Bear's product Kyle Orton was successful in that type of smashmouth offense. Hence all the extra RB's to make sure when they start going down with injuries, they will be replaced easily. So a Run by committee seems to be the safe way to go.
Plus we still have Full Backs Peyton Hillis and Spencer Larsen.
I think strongly that Peyton Hillis should be Denvers full time RB instead of a FB. He has everything it takes to run the ball and has the work ethic to be a 1000 rusher easily.
However, since Cutler's gone it appears that McHoodie is taking that Bear's philosphy of run the ball more than pass since Bear's product Kyle Orton was successful in that type of smashmouth offense. Hence all the extra RB's to make sure when they start going down with injuries, they will be replaced easily. So a Run by committee seems to be the safe way to go.
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